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Readers confirm Brown’s theory that UK honeymoon would not last long

By LARRY VAUGHT

Kentucky offensive coordinator Neal Brown knew the honeymoon would not last forever, even if he is a Kentucky native and former UK player.

Turns out he was right based on some e-mails I received.

First, Mark Hensley: “Really concerned with Neil Brown & what this offense is right now. Run & shoot might be good idea but never proven to sustain long drives, scoring in red zone & getting  TOUGH short yard downs. Way too one dimensional. Can we snap to QB under center? UofL did it occasionally (& it worked). This offensive style will kill the defensive growth this year. Don’t like it!!Next comes this from Barry Peel: “If losses are lessons (and let’s hope they are) then UK should earn a Ph.D. before the season is over. Lesson number on: how NOT to beat yourself!”

Barry Peel
If losses are lessons (and let’s hope they are) then UK should earn a Ph.D. before this season is over. Lesson number one: how NOT to beat yourself! BP

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  1. meisterbuerger

    Seriously?

  2. todd

    the problem is people really do not know how bad our talent was when stoops got here, the guys who are comolaining above could not look out on field and see that this Sat I guess . Joker Phillips did a number on this program, I guess they can’t remember how bad the offense was last year, they are getting better every game, the people who complain have very limited knowledge of talent, the scheme we are running is very similar to multiple teams in NFL, I hope a couple of fans emails will not paint the whole fan base

  3. Linda Taylor

    I think by and large most of the fan base know it is going to take time to build a winning football team and don’t expect miracles this season. There are going to be a few Debbie Downers out there for sure, but most I think have a realistic expectation of how long this will take. In three years we will have a very exciting team to watch.

  4. Stephen

    I just hope the 2014 recruits we are trying to keep AND the others we are trying to recruit, are more knowledgeable than the “fans” writing these negative posts. Hopefully they realize this staff knows what it is doing and want to come help build something special.

  5. Little Baron

    I agree, Todd. Joker left the cupboard virtually bare – in both quality & even sheer numbers.

    A vast improvement in Defense … after just 3 games … So far ahead of the Joke D … and already shows promise well beyond the lazy D under Brooks.

    The offense – how can anyone lay blame on the game plan (of the coaches) OR the passing of Maxwell Smith? The 8 dropped passes were the primary repetitious culprit and the fumbles were point changers on the score board.

    We do NOT have depth and that is going to get any team beat late in the game if we sustain key injuries – ie, Rumph missed half the game.

    But WOW… the freshmen give us a glimpse of the recruits this staff has line up for next fall’s games & years to follow.

  6. Ira

    Ah boo hoo, go cry a river some of you geez. Some of us tried to warn posters like them above that Joker would run UK’s program in the ground. That his recruiting effort sucked. But we were told to shut up, we didn’t know what we were talking about, got called micro wave fans, were alluded to as racists and everything else.

    Now we got a SEC quality coaching staff, that a) can coach, won’t hold back on what kind of game our team played, won’t settle for moral victories.
    B) recruits like we play in the SEC not in the SUNBelt and C-USA.

    So they are getting their nose rubbed in the wreckage what Joker left the state of this program in.

    Look at the positives what this team is doing. In the last 2 games our D is playing the best they have played in 2 years. If our offense and and they will clean up their mistakes, our offense will be very productive. You can’t get behind the chains on 1st & 2nd with a young offense and have turnovers in the red zone. We will get better

  7. AndyP

    I’ll take issue with Little Baron’s comment about the passing of Max Smith. With the exception of those bombs that he hit on in the Miami game, he has been less than average this year. Not only has he lost his velocity on the ball, he’s also lost his accuracy. About half those 8 drops on Saturday were caused by bad throws, close but not on the money where they need to be. It’s critical that the QB deliver the ball to the receiver in stride and, more often than not, our QBs are not doing that.

    Todd, if we were running the Mumme Air Raid I would agree with you, but we are not. That’s why it’s critical that we run the ball so that we can be effective in the red zone. Go back and watch some film on Texas Tech last year and you will see the offense we are trying to run. Without good QB play it is impossible.

    1. JimHarris

      I agree with Andy. Smith’s passing, even before the shoulder injury on Saturday, has just not been good enough to win and is responsible for about half of the “dropped balls” so far this season IMO–not to mention several that were way off target for open receivers.

      I hope the staff is giving Patrick about a million reps these next couple of weeks; I think they’re going to need him, whether for good or bad.

      1. Larry Pup

        What about the passes that hit em in the hands and were dropped? Everybody take a deep breath and exhale. It ain’t over yet. UK will get it done in time. As for the above emails, sad. Not only do we have to suffer through another loss to Louisville, but we have to endure these rediculous comments from know it all fans. This offense can’t score in the red zone? Then what was that from Whitlow to Montgomery for six Sat? What was the 675 total yards of offense against Miami? This offense will put plenty of points on the board in due time, and they will run the ball too. Hell, Kemp got 80 yards on 5 carries Sat against a top ten team. Some of you guys need to ask for a job on the coaching staff. You got it all figured out and could really help Stoops and his staff.

        1. Gene

          The major problem as I see it Larry is that most of the “coaches” who are the most vocal with their criticisms can’t see the improvement from game to game. They know so little about the game and its nuances that their bit#$in@ is comical.

  8. Ira

    When I said posters above I really meant to say the emails Larry had gotten. Wasn’t pointed at Todd, Stephen, L Baron

  9. Terry

    Nobody should knock this staff. The program was at bottom and had little SEC talent under Joker. We were so far behind the rest of the league( remember Vandy the last two years 38 to 8 in ’11 and 40 to 0 in ’12). Don’t forget the beating at Arkansas 49 to 7 in just 40 minutes of football. We now have coaches that know how to coach and recruit—–be thankful we have this staff. They will do great things for UK football. Back the Blue and this staff.

  10. Karen Sprinkle

    Patience, grasshoppers. I readily admit that I don’t know that much about football, but even I can see progress in how the team is playing. The team is a bit short-handed this year, but they seem to play hard all the time.

    1. larryvaught

      Great line Karen. Patience indeed

  11. Woohop

    If the old saying is true: ” ignorance is Bliss”, then those that are making negative comments on our Neal Brown Offense must be pretty dangled giddy!

  12. Woohop

    If the old saying is true: ” ignorance is Bliss”, then those that are making negative comments on our Neal Brown Offense must be pretty dang giddy!

  13. Blueman

    Hey they already look so much better than game 1 and to be honest they looked a ton better against (#7)! Louisville. I’ll take it, watching replays from our team last year will help you grasp the gratitude I have for Stoops & Co. I can deal with it as long as there is effort and they don’t look befuddled by just playing the game.

  14. King Ghidora

    Wow don’t people realize a complicated passing system isn’t something you perfect over night? Yes the offense made a boat load of mistakes. But they have a lot of young talent. We’ve seen that already this year. I’m upset with the dropped balls but that’s probably just a sign of being young and too emotional. At least I hope that’s what it is.

    But to be ready to give up on a system this early is pretty drastic. Without all the drops the offense would have been in great shape IMO. They made some other mistakes of course but the drops were the real killers. There just isn’t any good reason to drop a ball that hits you right in the hands and the rest of the team knows that. So they get discouraged. And the defense especially was playing great only to see their hard work go for naught because of the drop of a simple pass.

    This team will be very good at some point. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some big upsets. Yes they play a killer schedule. Yes they’re young and not very deep at certain positions. But they have talent and that matters. Keep in mind too that by next year the offense should be rolling in high gear because there is talent on the team. Better days are coming and it way too early to be jumping ship.

  15. RJ

    Everyone needs to remember. The coaching staff is working largly with what was left over from lest year, plus a few new recruits and a few junior college transfers. Anyone who watched the game could see the improvment in personnel from last year. It’s just that there are not enough of them – YET. I said last season when the new staff was named that it woud take a lot longer than one class to get competitive. Your first have to acquire the horses then you have to train them.. It will come. I can see it already.

  16. TrueBlueJohn

    For my two cents, I saw the defense improve more in the last two weeks than any time in the last ten years. The offensive scheme was fine. Drops were the problem. Remember, our best receiver is injured. Demarco Robinson. The cupboard was almost bare when this staff arrived, but I can see what this is going to become when Stoops & co. get their players in place and the proper depth. Tell me that you didn’t enjoy seeing Bridgewater’s jersey get all those grass stains on it in the first half. He won’t be hit like that again until the bowl game.

  17. GoCats

    I’m truly heartened to see that the majority of readers comments are positive towards giving the coaching staff time to work this out and agree 100% with what all of you have said.

    All of you are right, Joker left the cupboard bare and there’s not much to work with. In the first half, the defense was the best I’ve seen in years. They squared up and wrapped their arms around their men, stood them up until they had help bring them down, good technique, and our defensive line made UL’s lineman look like they were standing still, bringing Hatcher in at linebacker seriously confused them.

    The defense just flat out ran out of gas, they didn’t have anyone to back them up. Give them some true backup and the defense will be very formidable in the next 2 years.

    As for you “fans” who think Brown’s offense is not the way to go, you obviously really don’t know anything about the game. It was very clear to see that they weren’t focused on trying to catch the ball, they were worried more about trying to make a big play instead of just catching the ball.

    Take back the fumble and dropped passes in the first half and I guarantee you we would have been up at halftime. UL was stunned and didn’t have an answer. If we had the horses to match the momentum on defense and the receivers were focused then it would have been a different story altogether. I left that game more convinced than ever that Stoops, Brown, Eliot, et all are the right staff to turn this around, it will take PATIENCE in getting there.

    Anyone who expected a different outcome, like actually winning the game was seriously delusional, we don’t have the talent to pull it out right now. It’s not like Stoops & Brown lied when they were hired and said “we’re going to win all the big games this year!”.

    They clearly stated that this was a rebuilding effort, not excuses, just the truth. I’m especially upset and embarrassed by the fans that we’re heading for the exits in the 3rd & 4th quarters. You don’t have faith? Then find a new team! I’m sick & tired of people who can’t even tell the difference between a tight-end and a receiver trying to act like they even know the game and complaining that we need to make changes already when the current staff hasn’t even had time to implement what they’re trying to do.

    I’m going to let you all in on a secret, we’re not going to win a whole lot of game this year (shock!). I know that some of you have lofty goals like beating 5 top 25 teams this year, but it’s NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! Get behind the team and the staff and wait until we have the players, or stop complaining and jump on a different bandwagon. The only thing that can really derail us is if we give Stoops & Brown a reason for them to leave, like actual “fan” support.

  18. Juan4UK

    Negative fan reactions at this point are sorely misplaced. Poor performance is an indictment of the previous regime as opposed to the current staff. The proof is in the pudding. The youth is shinning and the fact we got outplayed in the second half points to a lack of depth. THAT issue can’t be fixed for another 2 yrs. And it will be next yr before they can even patch it up.
    The program didn’t just decline over the last 3 yrs., it took a nose dive. And right now we are just finding out the extent of it.
    This staff has delivered in spades so far. Everywhere they have been before UK, and so far on the recruiting trail while at UK. I see NOTHING to dispute the points I’m trying to make as far as how far we fell the last 3 yrs

    1. Juan4UK

      This staff deserves every bit of a honeymoon that they need. 3 yrs? 4yrs? no problem from me.

  19. Little Baron

    Some excellent posts with precise points. The game plan on both sides of the ball, including that awesome 1st half D that virtually stopped UL in their tracks was amazing… just as last week when Stoops changed the D in the locker room after seeing Miami practice!

    We have a real staff & workers… in every aspect from recruiting to player development to instilling team first & never quit.

    We have winners, who are staying positive even in the midst of getting true freshmen & JUCO transfers to produce pre-maturely… without time to watch & learn from older experienced players. THE PLAYERS WHO ARE PLAYING THEIR 1st GAMES at UK are the LEADERS full of optimism & hope, pulling the players that were under the Joke, trying to get them on the high road. Not just one or 2 players but a lot of them – young – are now taking the lead in trying to turn this program around precisely 180 degrees.

    To the poster who said its the best D in 10 years … ABSOLUTELY!!! Brooks refused to ditch the worst DC in college football & then Joker threw our high powered offense under the bus to try to “hide” the DC.

    It’s a new day with a NEW staff who is bringing on board those who are already shouting instructions & setting examples of how to get it done.

    To anyone who disagrees about Smith passing… No problem. Some weren’t perfect but still should have been caught because they were open without a defender on top of them. Even one of his passes was nearly intercepted because the receiver stood still instead of stepping (or even reaching!) for the ball & instead sto

  20. Little Baron

    Some excellent posts with precise points. The game plan on both sides of the ball, including that awesome 1st half D that virtually stopped UL in their tracks was amazing… just as last week when Stoops changed the D in the locker room after seeing Miami practice!

    We have a real staff & workers… in every aspect from recruiting to player development to instilling team first & never quit.

    We have winners, who are staying positive even in the midst of getting true freshmen & JUCO transfers to produce pre-maturely… without time to watch & learn from older experienced players. THE PLAYERS WHO ARE PLAYING THEIR 1st GAMES at UK are the LEADERS full of optimism & hope, pulling the players that were under the Joke, trying to get them on the high road. Not just one or 2 players but a lot of them – young – are now taking the lead in trying to turn this program around precisely 180 degrees.

    To the poster who said its the best D in 10 years … ABSOLUTELY!!! Brooks refused to ditch the worst DC in college football & then Joker threw our high powered offense under the bus to try to “hide” the DC.

    It’s a new day with a NEW staff who is bringing on board those who are already shouting instructions & setting examples of how to get it done.

    To anyone who disagrees about Smith passing… No problem. Some weren’t perfect but still should have been caught because they were open without a defender on top of them. Even one of his passes was nearly intercepted because the receiver stood still instead of stepping (or even reaching!) for the ball & instead stood watching a defender jump in front of him. Smith, Towles, Reese… I believe any of them can rack up yards under Neal’ offense… IF players catch passes & we hold onto the ball. Just my opinion.

    We may win only 1 more game, but I do expect a few… but regardless I am convinced we have the right HC, OC, DC, staff, new players & recruits, fans… GO BIG BLUE!

    I enjoy all the posts… It does kee it interesting

  21. steve c.

    We have some of the most impatient fan there are in our sports.Give them a chance we don’t have a soft schedule with no top 25 like some do. we have to build our reputation on GOOD teams every year in the SEC and that’s no easy task .

  22. ukscat

    Gotta have someone who can “chuck” & “fetch”.
    I’m on the way back to Orlando knowing the next coming of Randal Cobb is committed. Plus many others.
    Fans must be just that – fans ( short for fanatic ). Stay in the seats, be positive.
    Visualize FSU – – not UK’s past – – and Larry don’t let d##b###”s post if the parents read your deal.
    Just my opinion.

  23. LexJim

    Some great observations. But I think I can summarize those negative posts. Their authors remind me of a 5 year old in the back seat on the way to grandmothers. “Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?” Annoying but pointless.

  24. Darrell

    They are going to be fine. They have a quarterback on the way and more receivers. They dropped way to many. They have tough games ahead that will help them in the future. It takes time. Of course we have people committing that never coached before and probably never played college ball either. Neal brown and everyone is doing fine

  25. Gene T.

    Just hang on to the ball, and make some catches. If it is 3rd and long why run the ball?

  26. Andy

    For those “fans” calling out Neal Browns play calling, let them remember the Cats’ leading rusher and the WR’s with all the catches were all newcomers. We have a lot of work ahead of us but if not for those dropped passes and fumble, this game would have turned a different direction.

    Let Neal do his thing. When it comes to game time, Neal is seeing who is playmakers really are and who won’t flinch. Sanders and George struggled and there are still growing pains with the offensive line as well. My only suggestion would be to play more of the other WR’s whether they are walk on’s or not to see who can contribute and has safe hands. I wish he would play Mobley more as well.

  27. RJ

    I said at the beginning of the season that I would be satisfied if this new coaching staff solved the really big problem from last year – quiting. Our guys didn’t quit on themselves Saturday. That in itself is a huge improvement over last year. It’s something to build on and the team needs our support. To borrow a phrase ” you build a building brick by brick and it does not look very pretty until it’s completed”.

  28. shinny

    RELAX all you emailers! What “honeymoon”?? This staff hasn’t even left the alter yet!!!!

    1. ukfan197tone

      Best comment yet.

  29. ukfan197tone

    Are these “fans” serious? UK has been mediocre for decades and they expect an undefeated season in his first year? Saban couldn’t have came in an went undefeated and THAT’S exactly what these “fans” thought was going to happen.

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