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Archie Goodwin says way UK played this season was as “embarrassment, unacceptable”

Kentucky guard Archie Goodwin (10) dunks the ball as Kentucky forward Willie Cauley-Stein (15) looks on during the second half of an NCAA college basketball game against Vanderbilt at the Southeastern Conference tournament, Friday, March 15, 2013, in Nashville, Tenn. (AP Photo/John Bazemore)

Kentucky guard Archie Goodwin (10) dunks the ball as Kentucky forward Willie Cauley-Stein (15) looks on during the second half of an NCAA college basketball game against Vanderbilt at the Southeastern Conference tournament, Friday, March 15, 2013, in Nashville, Tenn. (AP Photo/John Bazemore)

By LARRY VAUGHT

Kentucky freshman Archie Goodwin was often UK’s best player, and often its most perplexing.

He led UK in scoring a team-high12 times, but also led the team in assists 12 times. He finished the season averaging a team-high 14.1 points, 4.6 rebounds and 2.7 assists per game. Goodwin also got to the foul line 212 times — 80 more than any other UK player.

But he also had a team-high 101 turnovers and shot 44 percent from the field and just 26 percent from 3-point range.

Kentucky coach John Calipari told him “I cannot coach you” during a 30-point loss at Tennessee, but praised him for his spirited play and often put the ball in his hands when UK had to create a shot.

“I just want to win so bad that sometimes I just feel that I can try to put a team on my back and maybe other guys will follow suit and it will pick up other guys but sometimes it didn’t work out like that. I think at times I tried to do too much,” said Goodwin after Tuesday’s NIT loss at Robert Morris. “I’ve tried to do all I can, but we just didn’t win enough.

“I am a competitor. For us to wear this Kentucky across our chest and play like we did this year, it is an embarrassment. To represent this university like we did is really unacceptable. Totally unacceptable.”

So why did UK lose four of its last five games, miss the NCAA Tournament and not come close to reaching preseason expectations?

“Just got guys who don’t compete. Sometimes a lot of excuses are made. If we take away that and the non-competers, things happen for us,” Goodwin, who said after Tuesday’s loss that he knew he wasn’t prepared for the NBA and UK’s other freshmen were not either, said. “We have some guys on our team that have all the talent but kind of play for themselves and that hurts them as opposed to others on our team who don’t have as much talent or athleticism but work hard and outshine the other ones because they work hard. If we could justs cancel that out, we would not be a bad team but it’s too late now.”

Goodwin had 18 points Tuesday, including eight straight UK points in one second-half stretch.

“I just didn’t want our season to end. We have had a bumpy road, but this was our chance to show we deserved a spot (in the NCAA Tournament). But we just couldn’t do it with the way we played.”

Even though he proclaimed he was not ready for the NBA despite some draft projections that have him as a mid-first round pick, he says he’s a better player now than he was when the season started.

“I definitely think I am better. I learned a lot from this coaching staff and from playing with these guys,” Goodwin said. “I came in and got stronger. I became a better player all-around. That is from me working hard and working with the coaches each and every day to try and improve on everything I could.”

He said he didn’t know if fans felt he improved or understand the passion he had for winning that sometimes may have led him to mistakes from trying to do too much.

“Fans, regardless of who it is, are going to have negative stuff to say and me personally I don’t pay attention to it. They are not feeding me, they are not the people that I talk to every day,” Goodwin said. “They are not my coach. So their opinion does not really offend me knowing how they feel about me.

“At the end of the day I am still going to live, I am still getting an education and I am still playing and living out my dream. There is nothing they can tell me that is going to hurt my feelings.”

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  1. Mike

    Am reading and agreeing to this but also wondering why Archie and some of his other buddies didn’t try and foment a little internal policing and motivation. Guess there weren’t enough hearts available to transplant. Still hoping that maybe we have seen the last of Poythress, Harrow, and Wiltjer. Guess we will know by this time next week.

  2. Anonymous

    Flush this season and start over. Goodbye to the old and HELLO to the new.

  3. Juan4UK

    Man that’s a little harsh, but I understand frustration Mike. We can’t forget, Wiltjer and Poythress are still young. And even though Harrow just may not be built to handle the pressure at UK, he is still a good kid. Now, I don’t wish him ill will, but maybe he might be out of depth in the starting lineup. Kyle, I admit, has to work exclusively on his defense and ability to move quickly over the off season. But I think he certainly needs to stay. He can continue to be a great asset to UK. There is nothing wrong with taking 3-4 yrs to develop. Nothing at all.
    Poythress. He needs to get his head in the game. I don’t know the extent of what is going on with him, but it seems that more and more there is something going on with him that is not good for the entire team. We shall see.

    1. Larry Pup

      I think we should have got the ball to Alex more this year. He could score at the rim or from long range. He’s a pretty fair shooter to from outside. I don’t think this team tried to get him the ball enough. JMO

  4. Big Wil

    I agree with Juan about Wiltjer. I think he is a good role player and we could use him next year. He is not a 30 – 40 minute player for sure, but 10 – 15 minutes a game for his outside shotting will be helpful. We should good at the 4 and 5 spot next year, so we can rotate Wiltjer in the 3 spot where he won’t be out muscled.

    1. Gene

      There were a couple of things that stood out regarding the play of Kyle Wiltjer this past season.
      1- He is a definite asset shooting the three. Once Noel went down however opposing coaches made a concious decesion to put a defender in his face where ever he was on the floor. Since he is a spot up shooter that pretty much took away his main weapon. Had Noel still been around that defender would have been asked, at times to create a double or triple team on him leaving Wiltjer and who ever else was on the floor with more and better shooting opportunities. Oh and had that final shot of the season not been maybe four inches too long he would have been the hero of the week.
      2- His defense was a big hole in his armor. He needs a great deal of work on moving his feet and anticipating his man’s first move. He got better as the season progressed but still needs work. Another 10 to 15 pounds wouldn’t hurt either if it was the right kind of weight.
      3- He is far too quiet !! Needs a bit more emotion while on the floor and needs to develop a leadership quality.

  5. Mike

    I am not making a judgment call that they are not nice kids because I believe they all are. Harrow is definitely a talented but very timid kid. We were given some advance pub on him from last school that seemed to play out. Poythress seems to be a great kid as well, but you can tell that there is no motivation in him at all. Wiltjer got worse as the season progressed and that is not expected of a 2nd yr. man with his head screwed on straight. He does, and has shown, some decent offensive passing and shooting ability but totally disappeared the last 4-5 games. It was very fitting for him to be taking the last shot because that is how he finished the season. We don’t need to risk any of these cancers contaminating the attitude, hunger, and ability of the studs that will be here next year.

  6. Big Wil

    Studs that haven’t played a minute of college ball. You are already putting the pressure on them. So you want to get rid of all the experience on the team just because the “studs” coming in are the best recruiting class ever. Last summer we was hearing about Noel as the next AD and Poythress and Goodwin as the studs. Keep the experience, even if it is just to challenge them in practice. Wiltjer is not cancer, he was just playing way out of postion.

    1. King Ghidora

      Are you sure about that Wil? You don’t know who’s posting on here. Up until about 5 minutes ago I didn’t want any of the players to leave. I figured they were just freshmen and played like it. But for someone to totally disrespect the place where his education comes from and his food comes from and his big arena to play in comes from is just too much. I don’t expect him to follow the advice of fans. I do expect him to appreciate that they provide the money to make his cushy life possible and trust me life can be much, much harder than he’s got it. He essentially spit in the eye of UK fans because they didn’t like his selfish play. Well too bad Archie. When they start booing you in Rupp maybe you’ll understand they do have their place in your little world. You aren’t Super Archie. He’s really not all that great of a player “yet”. He might be some day but he should respect the people who come out to support him and PAY to see him play which in turn provides him with a lot of benefits. And before you think I don’t know what I’m talking about I have a few things I could tell you. You don’t know me. You don’t know what I’ve done. Don’t assume that you do.

  7. King Ghidora

    Now there’s some real appreciation for the fans that PAY THE BILLS for Archie whether he understands that or not. If the fans don’t show up where does the money come from? Taxes? I’m sorry but that burns my rear right there. The fans drive this program whether he understands that or not. I’m not saying he owes the fans anything but he should appreciate the fact they pay for his education enough to actually try to get one while he’s there. Let him go on to the NBA where the fans don’t pay for his stuff either. What a joke. If that’s what Cal is teaching him then I have to question Cal’s understanding of the way the world works too. Without the fans he’d just be another guy with a ball looking for a backboard somewhere. Where does he think Rupp Arena came from? Wildcat Lodge? The food on his table?

    To me that shows a total disrespect for the BBN and the traditions of UK basketball because truth be told they are the ones that drive the success of the team. They demand it. They pay for it with their support. This “they don’t pay my bills” stuff is for the birds. They absolutely do just that. People would kill to be in his shoes and he is basically saying it’s all on him and nobody else. That’s exactly why he doesn’t understand how to win. He’s not a team player and the BBN is a team whether he knows it or not.

    I’ve been holding back about Archie from the start but since it doesn’t matter to him anyway here goes. His selfish attitude and total lack of understanding of how basketball works was poison to this team. HE is the reason this team did so badly.

    1. King Ghidora

      Errr… I just can’t let this go yet. I saw Archie’s BAD attitude from day one. It was “give me the ball and let me make my highlight reel for the pros”. His team mate was scoring great but Archie is what they call a black hole with the ball. Once it goes in it never comes back out. He destroyed any concept of team with the way he played. He was there for Archie and no one else and I don’t care what he says about it now. He wanted to win alright. He wanted to win a pro contract. I hope he gets one and gets off the team to be honest. He could be poison to another team IMO. Selfishness is the exact opposite of how things work in the BBN but of course that doesn’t matter to him. They don’t pay his bills. They just pay for tickets to watch the great Archie show off. Take your side show elsewhere Archie.

      I’ve NEVER been this harsh with any UK player but I’ve seen few that deserved it. Let him go play where there are no fans and see how much money gets put in his pocket or how much food gets put on his table. Sure there are places where the school pays for the teams. BTW the fans are forced to pay for those players through taxes.

      I’m going to stop now before I say what I really think about Archie.

      1. Larry Pup

        I think you took Archie’s comment’s wrong. No Archie this year and we would not have won as many games as we did. You can say what you want to. Without Archie against RM we lose by 15. Come on King, he’s a kid. I hope he comes back, are you kidding me!? Along with Alex, Kyle, and WCS. Hell, I ‘ll even take Harrow back. It is a bench King and the good Lord knows we needed that this year. Cal can sit them on the pine next year if they don’t play hard and produce for this team. You are to hard on him I think. Archie is just as frustrated as all of us are, and he said some things. I don’t take what he said as an offense against me as a fan. There have been some pretty harsh comments made about him this year by from some fans. Look at i from his side.

        1. King Ghidora

          Hey I’ve been a player and I know fans can be idiots. But that doesn’t mean you insult them for showing up and supporting you. I never once made a comment back to an ignorant fan comment and believe me I heard all sorts of bad advice. Archie should respect the people that come out to support him and realize he is deriving great benefit from what they say. I didn’t have that much of a problem with the way he played. He was a freshman and I’ve said many times we have expected too much from freshmen lately. But at the same time he should respect us and realize we do pay for his education, his food, etc..

          1. King Ghidora

            I meant to say he is deriving great benefit from what the fans “do” not “say”. Fans are fans and they are liable to say anything. But they also buy the tickets and watch the tv games which pays for the scholarships, the arena, and the food he eats. But the way Archie said things is that the fans have no role in what his life is like. With an attitude like that he will miss out on a lot because fans won’t support him nearly as much if he doesn’t appreciate them.

            To be blunt, he acted like a spoiled kid who thinks that he doesn’t owe anything to anyone. I happen to think he was given a great honor and a great opportunity that was made possible by the fans.

  8. RaleighCatFan

    I think Archie has a healthy attitude about the criticism from fans. The players have to let that stuff roll off their back. If he is in fact listening to his parents and coach and trying to do what they ask of him, that is enough. What is the alternative? Cry with a towel on his head b/c some fans hate his play? Granted I’ve done my share of complaining about him, but not outside my own house. People need to follow the Golden Rule more.

  9. JimHarris

    Another player who is too short-sighted to see that the game doesn’t exist without the fans. Who does he think is funding his full scholarship, good travel accommodations, his coaches’ fine salaries, etc.? Somebody should tell these kids that they had better learn to care what the BBN thinks about them—and who comprises the BBN.

    I get so tired of the attitude that “the fans are idiots anyhow” even if it’s largely instilled in them by their coaches, starting in high school or earlier, and is right much of the time.

  10. RaleighCatFan

    If you read carefully, all Archie said is that the things the fans say don’t “offend” him or “hurt his feelings”. Is that why you guys are so fired up? Do you want to offend him and hurt his feeleing? Did none of the other things he said convey how bad he thinks the season went? He said is was an embarassment and unacceptable. He was acting like a punk.

    1. RaleighCatFan

      I meant was not acting like a punk.

    2. King Ghidora

      He said the fans didn’t do anything for him. That’s dead wrong and shows a great lack of respect for what the BBN is. Look I was hoping he would come back and learn some things. Lots of freshmen mess up. But he seems to have an attitude problem and I lived through enough of that stuff during the Smith years. It’s poison to a team and Archie pointed out he was a “me first” kind of guy the way I read his comments. Well he should be me first but not me alone.

  11. Karen Sprinkle

    I think you’re reading way too much into Archie’s comments about the fans. I think he was saying that he was thick-skinned enough to let the negative comments by some of the fans bother him. You have to admit that there were some fans out there taking shots at the players that were completely undeserved such as comments on their character instead of their play on the court. Are the players supposed to cater to the fans, or are they supposed to follow the instructions of the coaches? I’m pretty sure it’s the coach’s instructions that matter. I do think a lot of Archie’s shortcomings were caused by not trusting his teammates to pull their weight, and thus his were errors of commission, rather than standing around waiting for something good to happen.

    I have great faith that Cal will adjust the attitudes and work habits of any players who return.

    1. King Ghidora

      Karen if he had said he didn’t let the fans criticism bother him I would have supported him 100% but that’s not what he said. I already said he didn’t need to listen to the fans. But he should respect them and what they do for him.

      1. Karen Sprinkle

        Based on the totality of the comments he has made this season, he does seem to respect and appreciate the fans. He’s absolutely given props to the fans for following the team, and cheering them on even when they didn’t play their best. I’m assuming that this interview was following the Robert Morris loss. Archie has said some bonehead things this year, and I am reading this as one of those bonehead things that people say when they’re angry or disappointed. I may be cutting him more slack than he deserves, but I really don’t think that he was being disrespectful or being unappreciative of the fan base.

        1. larryvaught

          I am with you Karen. He was just responding to my question about if he felt sometimes fans didn’t understand he might try to do too much because he wanted to win so bad. Archie is very, very honest. Uusally just answers the way he feels

          1. King Ghidora

            He said the fans do not feed him. He’s dead wrong about that. Without the fans he would be back home looking for a job like most of his friends probably are. I don’t expect him to roll over when the fans say so but he should respect the role the fans do play. He very much seemed to not do that. He was very dismissive of them. Yeah he’s a kid. He said it wrong. I would have said the same things to my own kid. You respect people that provide you with things whether they are family or customers. The fans of the BBN drive the program more than any other single thing. To totally dismiss them as making no contribution is just flat wrong. No one expects him to follow the advice of the fans. They are fans, not coaches. But he should learn who pays the bills and he should at least be thankful they show up to pay big money to watch him play.

        2. King Ghidora

          I’ve been watching UK basketball for right at 50 years now. I’ve never heard a player make a similar comment about the fans. He isn’t required to obey the fans, serve the fans, or even like the fans. But he should at least act respectful of the fans and he didn’t. Chalk it up to another freshman mistake if you like. I only said to him what I would have said to my own kids if they had said something like that. He sounded very much like a spoiled kid who thinks the world owes him something because he has talent. That’s a big part of why this team did as badly as they did. They didn’t even respect themselves. If no one points out the error of his ways he will never learn better. I doubt he will ever hear what I have said. That doesn’t stop me from thinking what he said was the thinking of a spoiled kid who doesn’t know which side his bread is buttered on. The fans do pay for his food whether he knows it or not. This isn’t Cincinnati where thugs play basketball. It’s UK where the program was built on good attitudes.

  12. James Fitzgerald

    the question of the day is this: Does alex and archie and willie really think they are ready for the NBA? Going by what I have seen this year, none are ready… they need to stay at lease another year to develope, and learn to play as a team… Even noel as good as he is could use alittle more time here at ky.. even though I believe he will be just fine in the NBA, he could be even better with alittle more playing time… Willie, is awsome with greatness in the wings if he would just stay one more year… instead of being a lottery pick, I believe he would go in the top five of the draft,with alittle more development.. alex , is in no way ready, and really neither is archie… with the new recruits that are coming this year, at lease the three of them would begin to develope into NBA players.. noel would be a bonus.. we can hope and pray he doesn’t go…

  13. HONDO2

    I THINK WE MISS THE “BIG POINT” HERE–SURE GOODWIN MAY HAVE GONE OFF A LITTLE ON THE FANS[I AM A FAN] BUT I DON’T THINK HE WAS OUT OF CONTROL–

    THE BIG POINT IS “THIS TEAM HAD VERY LITTLE –FIRE–FIGHT–WILL TO WIN–DETERMINATION TO TAKE OUT THE OPPONENT—WHICH MUST BE PRESENT IN “WINNERS”–

    REMEMBER–CAL HAS LEAD THE NATION IN PG COACHING FOR YEARS–WHERE WAS HARROW??? WILTJER IS A VERY GOOD OUTSIDE SHOOTER WHEN GIVEN SPACE–SO WHAT DOES THE OPPONENTS DO??? THEY CROWD WILTJER AND GIVE HIM NO SPACE[HE IS NOT A JUMP SHOOTER] POYTHREES EARLY IN THE SEASON LOOKED LIKE DYNAMITE[VERY TALENTED]BUT LOST HIS WILL TO WIN–DETERMINATION –DRIVE–THINGS LOOK PRETTY SHAKY WHEN POLSON LEAD THE FIGHT VS ROBERT MORRIS WITH SOME HELP FROM MAYS AND GOODWIN–

    CAL AND UK SHOULD HAVE PASSED ON THE NIT BID–ANYTHING LESS THAN A “WIN” WAS A LOSER FOR UK–CAL AND THE TEAM SHOULD HAVE STAYED HOME–HIT THE BOOKS–CAL HIT THE RECRUITING TRAIL–AND MAN UP FOR THIS NEXT SEASON–

    AFTER ALL–I SEEM TO REMEMBER CAL SAYING AT HIS INTRODUCTION THAT “HANGING NC BANNERS WAS WHAT WAS IMPORTANT–EVEN WINNING AN NIT WON’T HANG ANY NC BANNERS THESE DAYS[MAYBE IN THE FORTYS WHEN THE NIT WAS MORE PRESTEGIOUS THAN THE NCAA???]

    I SEEM TO REMEMBER CAL SAYING EARLIER IN THE SEASON THAT “THIS TEAM IS UNCOACHABLE”–MAYS SAID THE SAME THING–SO DID GOODWIN–

    NOELS WAS THE ONLY PLAYER WHO GAVE IT FORTY MINUTES EVERY GAME[POLSON DID WHEN IN THE GAME ALONG WITH SOME FROM MAYS--

    CAL SAID BEFORE THE ROBERT MORRIS FIASCO THAT HE AND HIS COACHING STAFF HAD TO TURN THEIR RECRUITING INTO ANOTHER DIRECTION WHERE THE FOCUS WAS ON GREAT ATHLETES WITH HUNGER--DESIRE TO WIN--FIGHT--

    IN OTHER WORDS I THINK CAL HAD A COACHING PROBLEM WITH THIS TEAM[HE SAID SO]

    SO WHERE DO WE GO NOW??? BRING IN THAT NEW GROUP–THROW THEM INTO THE FRAY WITH THOSE WHO RETURN–AND AFTER 3-4 SCRIMMAGES THEY WILL SEPERATE THE CHAF FROM THE WHEAT–

    1. King Ghidora

      People don’t seem to get that the “they don’t pay my bills” attitude is exactly what drives selfish play. If you owe nothing to anyone you won’t try to repay anything. Well he was given a great opportunity that is financed by the fans. If he doesn’t respect them he doesn’t respect the program and if he doesn’t respect the program he doesn’t play like he respects the program. And that’s what I saw on the floor. He needs to appreciate what he was GIVEN because there were lots of other kids who would have loved to have his spot. And from what I see a lot of them would have done better not because they had more talent but because they had more desire. And most of the time that desire is driven by the right attitudes in life. And not having gratitude is a bad attitude.

      1. King Ghidora

        I should have pointed this out. I was willing to do for free what he got a scholarship to do. And yes they asked me to do it. I would have had to walk on and I would have done just that if I hadn’t broke my ankle. I would have done anything to just practice in that building on Rose St, and The Avenue Of Champions. If they had given me a scholarship to do it I would have crawled all the way to Lexington to take it (to paraphrase what someone else once said). And I would have known that those people paying for their tickets were paying for my food, my place to live, and a front row seat to a lot of good basketball. I would have worked like a dog for that chance and I would have been grateful to get the chance. Maybe a few decades of realizing what he had will change his tune.

        Again UK was built on people who wanted to play team ball and that meant not only putting out for the fans who bought the tickets but for the shut ins who would love to get to see a game but only got to hear Cawood talk about them on the radio. Cawood was thankful even for those people who did nothing but listen to the games. That’s the UK attitude I was raised to love. Not “they don’t pay my bills”. I can only imagine what Rupp would have had to say about an attitude like that. I know what happened to a lot of bad attitude type players when he was the coach. They went on to play somewhere else. I don’t want him gone. I just want him to respect the BBN. And I mean ALL of the BBN. Let’s face it. He didn’t show much respect for anything this season from what I saw.

  14. Larry Pup

    You are right on target IMO Hondo.

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